Dai Bevan
From Wikipedia (which has a diagram showing the approximate geographic area of Dyfed) ;
" Dyfed was one of the ancient kingdoms (or principalities) of Wales prior to the Norman Conquest. It occupied an area roughly corresponding to the later county of Pembrokeshire. In the 10th century Howell the Good united Dyfed and the neighbouring kingdom of Seisyllwg under his rule. The new kingdom became known as Deheubarth and covered an area roughly corresponding to the later county of Dyfed. During local government reorganisation in 1974, the newly-created non-metropolitan county covering Cardiganshire, Carmarthenshire and Pembrokeshire was given the name Dyfed. It was divided into six districts, namely Carmarthen, Ceredigion, Dinefwr, Llanelli, Preseli, South Pembrokeshire. However, further reorganisation of local government on April 1, 1996, involving the creation of unitary authorities resulted in a return to the status quo, with Cardiganshire, Carmarthenshire and Pembrokeshire being restored for administrative purposes. The name survives as a ceremonial preserved county, and in that of institutions such as Dyfed-Powys Police" (and more relevantly, Dyfed Family History Society)
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Whilst the Dyfed list is the original and main list for CGN and PEM there are also nowadays separate Rootsweb based county lists for Cardiganshire (CGN), Carmarthenshire (CMN) and Pembrokeshire (PEM) - details of which can be seen on Rootsweb
The current situation with the CGN and PEM lists vis a vis this list can be seen under Why a combined list?
The Dyfed list is not just a 'lookups list'- as important as that aspect is, the list administrator tries very hard to give 'extra value' which might be some snippet culled from the Genuki pages, or his Help Page, or just something he read somewhere else. And that is backed up by several 'resident' listers who really do know a lot about their counties and will take every opportunity to share that knowledge with others.
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Gareth has a genealogy Help Page slanted towards Welsh matters
on
http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html
and should be the first starting point for any queries. on
genealogy questions of a general nature.
South/West Wales Lookup Exchange http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html
Dyfed Family History Society http://www.dyfedfhs.org.uk/
Cardiganshire Family Society http://www.cgnfhs.org.uk/
John Ball's Welsh Family History Archive http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/
Gareth's Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html
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Welcome to the DYFED mailing list!
This is a mailing list for the counties of Cardiganshire, Carmarthenshire & Pembrokeshire
It is ESSENTIAL that you read the Do's and Don'ts section of the list site at http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html BEFORE posting any messages to the list
To post a message to this list, send your email to:
DYFED@rootsweb.com
Please note that all messages posted to this mailing list are also added to the list archives on RootsWeb.com
General information about the mailing list, including links to the list archives, can be found at: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/DYFED.html
To unsubscribe from the list, including the list digest, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text.
Sincerely,
The DYFED List Administrator
DYFED-admin@rootsweb.com
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Here are 3 messages I sent to these lists on the subject of effectively combining the two lists with the existing Dyfed list. If you want to see what listers said in response then see the lists' Archives for Feb 2006
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31 Jan 2006
Now that our aol listers are back with us I'd like to share with you my growing concern that these 3 lists are *separately* teetering on the edge of becoming less than viable. I'm referring of course to the very low level of list traffic, the lists' archive statistics show the reality only too well. Without getting too much into the history of the thing, the separate county lists of CGN & PEM came about more or less at Rootsweb's whim, in the beginning (1998) there was only Dyfed which did, and does, cover CMN, CGN and PEM. Powys was in the same position as Dyfed, yet the original Powys list is vibrant whilst the separate lists of BRE, RAD & MGY see token traffic.
My inclination now is to follow Powys's lead and contrive to make the Dyfed list again the main conduit but keep the CGN and PEM lists going on a 'tick over basis'. There would be the added benefit of just about eliminating the need for cross postings. One disadvantage might be, for example, that listers interested in PEM would receive messages about CGN, but hey, look at the archives' stats ! (and balance that against not getting duplicate mails)
I would add notes in key places which would explain it to new listers. It would also make sense for most of us to then unsubscribe from CGN and PEM. Nothing we decide has any bearing on the separate CMN list. I would not support closing down the Dyfed list, that is not an option for me .
OK, that's my position as lists' admin, what do you all think ?
Please respond on just *one* of the lists you are subscribed to, Dyfed if at all possible, but please, please *not* to me off list.
List numbers; Dyfed 379; CGN 205; PEM 311
Allowing for duplication, I would guess a total number of people at 400/450
Gareth
Admin for the Rootsweb DYFED, CGN & PEM lists
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1st Feb 2006
I'm encouraged by the initial response, thank you all who have spoken - but quite a few more needed yet please.
To follow up some points already made;
-The 'new' Dyfed list would still cover CMN, CGN and PEM.
-The 'old' lists of CGN and PEM would be kept alive on a 'tick over' basis, this would be a good idea vis a vis Rootsweb itself. It follows that anyone can stay with either list, but the 'main activity' would be on Dyfed, a concept that I would actively promote if it comes about.
-I see no prospect of combining archives, and wouldn't want to raise it with Rootsweb.
-Yes, there are many reasons for the pronounced lowering of all lists' activity in recent years.
It should therefore be easier to maintain a truly viable list if our efforts are concentrated on just the one combined list.
I repeat that anyone undecided should look at the Powys list archives to see how well a combined list can work
http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/POWYS
-An accurate description of a query in the subject line should allow people to skip messages not for 'their county', whether this is effective is down to the list admin's nagging stamina :-)
-The name Dyfed isn't that familiar to new researchers, unless they join the Dyfed FHS of course. I would need to look at how these lists are described in key places, such as Genuki
Gareth
Admin for the Rootsweb DYFED, CGN & PEM lists
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2 Feb 2006
OK, lets go for it, no point in delaying.
I have set up a web site for the Dyfed list which contains list admin data that listers may need from time to time, please bookmark it
http://home.clara.net/tirbach/DyfedML.html
It includes a 'do's and don'ts' section - it would be very helpful if everyone had a look at that please - no excuses for NOT getting the right county code in the subject lines ! You can also subscribe from there if you're not already with Dyfed. I'll probably add other list relevant items to it as I think of them.
I repeat that the CGN and PEM lists are NOT being closed, what I mean by 'tick over' is that they shouldn't have very much list mail, at least apart from my need to maintain an administrative presence. Of course I can't/won't stop anyone using them, but if there's no one else on there but me .............
I have amended the lists' welcome messages & tag lines
appropriately.
I have changed the Genuki links to point to the above web site.
Anything overlooked will no doubt be pointed out to me :-)
Otherwise all you have to do now is send all future mail to
Dyfed-L@rootsweb.com and unsubscribe yourselves from the CGN and PEM
lists. You do that by sending a message to either or both
WLS-Cardiganshire-L-request@rootsweb.com
WLS-Pembrokeshire-L-request@rootsweb.com
Change the L to D if you are in digest mode.
The message is "unsubscribe" without the quotes and NO other text.
Off we go then, let's make this work
Wait, I feel an old Welsh proverb coming on ......
'Mewn undeb y mae nerth'
(Unity is strength)
Gareth
Admin for the Rootsweb DYFED, CGN & PEM lists
[Last Updated : 15 November 2006 by Dai Bevan]