Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 17:29:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ralph Merwin
S. Moseley writes:
> On Wed, 7 Aug 1996, b.a. schalke wrote:
> > I recently had my '72 Combat motor apart
when I replaced the original crank
> > bearings with "Superblends" - good thing
I did, because the timing side
> > bearing was just starting to go. Strangely
enough, the drive side bearing,
> > which should see more load, looked perfect.
>
> Ditto, except when I got mine apart the timing
side was well on its way
> out, the inner race being really gouged. I
started hearing the awful noise
> at the U.S. border on a trip back from Vancouver,
but rode it home to
> Bremerton anyhow. The drive side was perfect.
Almost ditto on my race bike (750 Commando). The drive side is fine. The timing side feels rough. Both are FAG Superblends. The local Brit-bike shop, DJ's Cycle Shoppe, says that the "hot setup" is to use a Superblend on the drive side to handle the stress, and a high quality ball bearing on the timing side. He says that roller bearings don't like spinning fast and tend to skip if not under load, as on the timing side. The ball bearing will handle the fast spin, light-load application great (I know that even the timing side has quite a load - we're talking relative terms here). So, that's what the 750's getting...
Ralph
2.2 Alpha Bearings and Bigend Bearing Replacement.
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 21:45:10 -0400
From: Gregg Kricorissian.
Hi Doug,
Sorry about the delay in replying to your query about Alpha big end assemblies: I'm still extremely busy at my "real" job. Though I also haven't been able to follow Brit Iron lately, I'm copying this note to the list, since it may be of interest to other list members.
At 02:19 PM 10/12/96 -0700, you wrote:
>.... regarding Alpha for the B50. I was curious
as to others' experiences with
>them durability-wise. From the posts/responses
I have received so far, I
>probably would not use one. There has been much
said about them
>machining too much material, removing the hardening,
poor/no radiuses,
>short lives, etc.
I've heard a lot of good and bad about Alpha bearings, and have personally seen bad ones. However, before we say too much about it, we should recognize that making a "good" big end is a demanding undertaking. It's very easy for a job-shop manufacturer (like Alpha must be these days) to "lose the recipe" because of the precision work required in procuring, machining, heat treating and finish grinding high grade steels. It can't be too easy to maintain control over all those individual hand operations in fabricating the assembly ... especially if you're making a wide variety of them, but only a few at a time.
In the good old days, Alpha had the economy of scale to keep the recipe in check. Now a days, quality may be more variable. Given the choice, I prefer to polish and refurbish and calibrate a used-but-excellent big end rather than take a crap shoot on an aftermarket one. However, on older machines, you don't often have much choice.
Also, I'll bet many of the horror stories we've heard stem from the mechanic's poor workmanship .... replacing a big end "properly" is a lot more involved that the simple process oft described in how-to books. An earlier posting from Ken Bell implied that Vincents were the only ones that required special fitting; not so, they all do. Something to keep in mind is that most roller big ends were built at the factory by "selective assembly" process ... the outer track was fitted to the rod, honed round, and roller (graded by 1/10 thou steps) were selected to give a fitted big end clearance of 9/10 to 1 thou. Not something to be taken lightly! Read on ...
My latest escapade with an Alpha bearing was the one from my friend Neville's pre war Tiger 80. He'd sent the rod to the UK (Serco, as I recall) to be re-furbished, and then brought it to me for checking and assembly into his flywheels. Big end ovality is the most common problem you'll find, chiefly because so many owners slog the engines around long after the original bearing has developed too much clearance. This Tiger was no exception! Unfortunately, the person who did the work in the UK did not bother to check the rod, literally slapped the big end race into place and assembled the rollers. This ovality must be corrected before any other work is done.
With the Tiger, my first hint of problem was a bit of drag in the bearing as I rotated the rod, alternating with loose spots. I decided to check the eye of the rod, but when I went to press out the big end race, I found that it was not much more than a finger-press in the rod!! Bottom line: the rod was oval, and the Alpha big end race was a bit undersize. Nothing much could be done for it, except return the rod and bearing assembly to Alpha .... who made good and then returned the assembly to Nev.
Here's the big end replacement process I recommend:
Having fitted the big end to the rod, then you can turn your attention to fitting that assembly to the flywheels, and truing to within 0.001 on the mainshafts ... but as they say "it's another story".
Hope this helps,
...Gregg
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 20:55:42 -0400
From: Gregg Kricorissian
In my earlier note on roller bearing big ends, I detailed some of the pitfalls to watch for with rod eye ovality when rebuilding an engine. For the sake of completeness, I thought I should also draw attention the second most common problem you'll run into with thhe roller big end bearing: the condition of the crankpin.
You'll have to split the crank and pull the big end apart to check it, but many an engine will pass the time-honored "up-and-down" test on the rod while assembled, but will need renovation because of a marginal crankpin. Two problems frequently occur in the pin of a roller big end:
Replacement with a NOS pin is the best course, if you can get the parts. Phil Irving, in "Tuning for Speed" describes another option which involves grinding the pin down, to take a hardened steel sleeve that replaces the original track, and brings the pin OD back to standard. The mod is completed by grinding the shoulders of the fitted sleeve square ... in many ways this can be an improvement to the crank's rigidity.
Of course, precision work of this sort comes at a cost, and can be entrusted to what seems to be a decreasing number of craftsmen. Fabrication of a suitably-hardened sleeve is not to be taken lightly.
Now for the Royal Enfield angle: some of you might know the Enfield's went to a plain bearing "floating bush" big end in its singles during WWII. At the cost of needing greater oil flow, and an efficient oil filter, the floating bush gave longer life and freedom from pitting and spauling of the pin. This development was based on testing done during the mid 30's, and became a feature of the Enfield singles right to the end of production.
Perhaps because the floating bush was made for Enfield's by Glacier, Alpha never made replacement big ends in this style, but rather supplied a roller bearing assembly through the aftermarket.
Hope this helps,
...Gregg